Episode 12 Interview with Rob Railis

Podcast coverart for interview with Rob Railis of 13 Pastures CBD oil

Walk past any health food store today, and you’ll probably see flyers for CBD oil. I’ve even seen signs on the road in front of businesses advertising, “CBD oil Sold Here.” You may be wondering, what is CBD oil, and is it something you need?

Like many health supplements and solutions, there seem to be a lot of questions and confusion about what it is, how to use it, does it really work, and in this case because people confuse it with medical marijuana, will it make me high.

In today’s episode, I interview Rob Railis of 13 Pastures to discover what you need to know about CBD oil and how to find out if it’s a solution to pain or other health issues you might be experiencing.

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Images and Links from my Interview with Rob Railis

Logo for 13 Pastures, CBD oil

Like many health related companies, 13 Pastures was started because of a personal need. In 2017, Rob’s father was suffering from arthritis in the knees. After researching CBD oil, Rob asked him to try it. He did and experienced significant pain relief. This led Rob on a journey to source the highest quality industrial hemp and cannabis growers in the US in order to create products to help others.

Find 13 Pastures at:


The store is located in the Box and Send at 2903 W New Haven Ave #425, West Melbourne, FL 32904. It’s in the Home Depot Shopping Center.

Links to Articles about CBD and Cannabis

In the Interview, Rob mentioned studies concerning the efficacy and use of CBD and cannabis. Here are links I found to some interesting and exciting possibilities for the use of these products.

Study published in the European Journal of Internal Medicine. The study started with cancer patients and found they tolerated cannabis well over . https://www.ejinme.com/article/S0953-6205(18)30023-2/fulltext
Rolling Stone Magazine included this study in an article on the use of cannabis to help with opiod dependency. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/new-study-suggests-pot-could-help-end-opioid-dependency-202439/

Journal of American Medicine –  https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/1898878

Forbes article
“Forty-two percent of the CBD users said they had stopped using traditional medications like Tylenol pain relievers or prescription drugs like Vicodin and had switched to using cannabis instead. Eighty percent said that they found the products to be “very or extremely effective.” – quote from the Forbes article

Project CBD is a non-profit dedicated to gathering and dispersing information on CBD and cannabis. Their PDF on Opiod Addiction and Medical Cannabis includes information from over 10 articles and studies on the subject. Source references are available at the bottom of the document.

Takeaways from my Interview with Rob Railis

This interview probably has some of the most significant takeaways for me. For example, I had read that CBD oil wouldn’t make you high, but I thought it had no THC, ever. I was one of those who thought the difference between hemp and marijuana was that hemp never had THC. Rob explained that hemp does have THC at lower quantities than marijuana.

CBD is not a magic bullet – Like most health solutions, CBD is part of a whole approach and not a magic bullet. So often, people are looking to have a single pill or potion that makes them thin, healthy, and vibrant while they live a very unhealthy lifestyle. So far, I’ve found no evidence that a magic potion exists and appreciated Rob pointing out that it certainly isn’t the case with his products.

What Does Full Spectrum Really Mean? – I found this information really helpful. I see “full spectrum” on many plant-based supplements, and it now has me researching what it means for each product and how the company actually processes the plant.

Soil Matters – For those who know me, you know that I have a great interest in soil and soil quality. Rob mentioned that the quality of soil is specifically important for hemp, and the tests they run to make sure their growers are the best. They don’t do a microbial test on each batch but they do on each harvest, and they test each batch for potency.

It works for Anxiety – I never experienced any type of anxiety until my mid-40’s. Now, I’m looking for solutions, and knowing that this is a possible solution makes it something I will be looking into.

Full Transcript of my Placeholder with Rob Railis

Kim                              00:00                You’re listening to Space Coast Stories, a podcast with interviews and stories from people and businesses on Florida’s Space Coast. I’m your host, Kim Shivler. Thanks for joining me.

Kim:                             00:15                Hey everybody on the Space Coast. Welcome to Space Coast Stories. I’m your host, Kim Shivler, and today I have a guest that has so much information you are really going to want to listen to this. I’m talking to Rob Railis from 13 pastures and we’re gonna dig into CBD oil. If you haven’t heard of it yet, get ready. It is all over the market and we’re going to talk about what you need to know about it. Quality issues, what it’s good for, and all that type of stuff. Welcome Rob.

Rob:                             00:50                Thank you very much, Kim. Nice to be here.

Kim:                             00:51                So get us started with. What is CBD oil?

Rob:                             00:56                CBD stands for Cannabidiol. It is one of 120 cannabinoids found in the cannabis plant. A lot of c’s in that. Um, you probably have heard of THC. THC is that chemical, that chemical, that psychoactive chemical, that makes us feel the effects of smoking marijuana.

Rob:                             01:16                THC is a cannabinoid no different than CBD. Our body produces our own sort of cannabinoids, just like the cannabis plant produces its set of cannabinoids. That is why CBD works so well within our human body. It fits within our receptor that takes in those cannabinoids and let it work its magic.

Kim:                             01:36                And when you say that it, it just takes that in and works its magic. Are we talking pain relief? What is it do?

Rob:                             01:42                Our Body has, um, CB one and CB two receptors. And so the cannabinoids work within those. Now THC actually fits perfectly in those receptors. CBD On the other hand does not, it actually does not fit into the receptors. It works with receptors similar to the CB one to kind of activates those. So that activation is what helps alleviate pain, anxiety, depression, cancer, just all sorts of different things, all sorts.

Rob:                             02:11                How I like to look at it as anything revolve revolve around inflammation of the body. Some sort CBD can help.

Kim:                             02:18                And now people are listening to this, they’re hearing THC and that that’s the psychoactive piece of marijuana. Is this going to make them stoned?

Rob:                             02:29                It is not. It is not. In fact, if you take CBD, it will actually counteract the effects of THC because remember, THC fits into those receptor cells. CBD does not fit in, but still works with the other cannabinoids and our system.

Kim:                             02:45                So you can take this. It works for pain. Like you said, inflammation, anxiety, but it’s not going to make you high.

Rob:                             02:53                It is not. It came. I think it’s also very, very important and maybe it’s too early to bring up in our conversation, but it is not a miracle drug and that’s what I really, really want people to know.

Rob:                             03:03                So many come in to see me with the problem and the expect CBD to work not only immediately but forever and it’s just not sustainable in most cases because there’s more than just we have to look at what the problem is. If it’s inflammation, we have to also look at diet. We have to look at exercise. Those things are also contributing to inflammation, the pain, anxiety, et cetera.

Kim:                             03:27                So in other words, if you are actively doing something to bring chronic inflammation into your system, for example, an improper diet, this is not going to just counteract that for you.

Rob:                             03:38                Well, it may at first, I mean you because you gotta remember there’s a placebo effect and everything that we do and there’s excitement and things that we do. So they have a new sexy fad right now and it take it and they will feel relief.

Rob:                             03:49                CBD absolutely. One hundred percent works 100 percent of the time. Unless your endocannabinoid system, the system that takes in the receptors is default and we can get into that different products, different time. But right now, yes it will work. But it also needs to be. Your lifestyle needs to be changed as well. They should be supplementing complimenting each other.

Kim:                             04:09                That makes perfect sense. I think so many of us have issues with chronic inflammation. I know it’s something I, I see a functional medicine doctor and it’s something that I have been working on over the last year because of both combination of, of like you said, Diet and, and uh, even if your body can’t accept things. For example, our, I have issues with my GU tract, so you know, a lot of times I don’t absorb something properly. So it sounds like you may have, some people may have issues with that.

Rob:                             04:39                That’s also absolutely true gut health is number one. If your gut is healthy, everything else is going to be healthy in your body. And that has, that should be number one. Absolutely. And the people who do talk to me, who I start establishing relationships with because I’ve incorporated diet and fitness into my life for so many years. I could talk to them about intermittent fasting, or prolonged fasting and just cutting out the junk and fix yourself. And I promise you with that, with CBD, it’s gonna work some miracles in your life. I really believe it. I know it.

Kim:                             05:08                So if you do that, you’re going to take a lifestyle change. You’re going to use CBD to help you with this. Does that mean that you may not have to be on this forever?

Rob:                             05:17                Very, very good question. One of the things that I learned very early on about CBD it, it does not fix the symptom.

Rob:                             05:24                If we have pain, you take the CBD, it doesn’t go to the pain site. I’ll start with start doing his thing, doesn’t it? Works to create homeostasis within our body within ourselves. So it’s going to look at the problem and attempt to fix that problem. So if it is an inflammation problem is going to fix the why is or inflammation through our body. So for some people I’ve seen them metabolize it and it starts working within, you know, an hour, but is it sustainable for the rest of their lives after that one hour? Probably not. They’re going have ups and downs and it, you know, we got to get the dosing correct. For the most part you should not have to be on anything for the rest of your life, but it will take time to create the homeostasis state.

Kim:                             06:04                So for the most part, someone, while you said some people may feel it within an hour, for most people, this is something where you’re committing to taking it for at least x time before you start really feeling the effects. It’s not like a, an aspirin where you take it your headache. Maybe it goes away in an hour.

Rob:                             06:22                If you would’ve asked me this question six months or a year ago, I would have given you a completely different answer. Um, I used to believe when I used to preach that it will start working immediately. And for most it does is just, again, it’s not sustainable. It should now that we’ve seen more people coming back and we have the repeat patients coming back, it does take time. It, I don’t want to say saturate, but it needs to just be in there for a period of time until the issue is fixed.

Kim:                             06:48                What other than just inflammation as a whole, are there specific symptoms? Are there specific things that you would highly recommend if someone has a certain type of pain, a certain type of issue that definitely you’d say, come see me and let’s talk about CBD without sounding again, without sounding like CBD is the miracle answer to everything.

Rob:                             07:08                I don’t want you guys to assume that what I will say is anything at this point relating to an ailment from endometriosis to autism to Fibromyalgia, it’s at least worth looking into. CBD as an option is an option for everybody. Probably not, but I will tell you one of my very first client, so a year and a half, two years ago, it was a doctor who had an autistic child and um, they went through three different CBD brands. They came to us and we did things a little bit different than what they’re working on to prior. But I have some videos that will just blow your mind. I mean before and after videos. It’s just, it’s miraculous. I have, you know, my father, the whole reason I started the CBD company, he has chronic arthritis in both knees and still has a landscaping company.

Rob:                             07:51                Go figure, you know, 65 year old man, but he does and he’s doing it and CBD is providing significant relief for that. He’s also taking borax for his knees. He’s also on a good diet for his knees, but you know it works.

Kim:                             08:03                And you brought up a different brands so that. Let’s take that in that direction. If I’m searching for something, what do I need to know when I’m searching for a brand when I’m searching for this as far as quality goes?

Rob:                             08:15                Well, I want to preface this by saying that in no way am I saying that my advantage is the best brand in the whole entire world. I’m in no way attempting to say that to any of your listeners, but I do want to make sure that they. Most of the labels you’re going to find in the retail stores are mislabeled. Almost all of them.

Rob:                             08:32                And here’s what I mean by that. When you go into a store, you’re going to see these tincture bottles, they’re going to have the CBD and you’re going to see the word full spectrum all over everything, full spectrum, full spectrum. Well, I can tell you that 99 point nine percent of those bottles on the store are actually not full spectrum. I understand why they’re saying that. So to your listeners, it’s a matter of educating themselves, understand what they’re buying. If they are buying CBD, can they go to the website and actually pull the lab results that show that this what the content of CBD is as well as where did it come from? For example, European Union. Are we importing from. They’re not saying it’s bad or coming from the EU, but it is important to know because where they get it from. Did they get it from China?

Rob:                             09:14                How is the soil? Hemp sucks up all of the microbials, all of the bad stuff and good stuff in a soil, so you need to know what exactly they’re harvesting.

Kim:                             09:22                And that brings up then, where are your farms?

Rob:                             09:26                Good question. In the EU. No just kidding. Our farms are coming straight from Colorado. Everything is sourced to the ground. We do not microbial test every single batch. It would be. It wouldn’t be cost effective for us to do it, but we do actually per harvest, we check it as well as every single batch of finished product. We do test for potency of CBD as well as the other cannabinoids including THC.

Kim:                             09:49                So when someone comes in and you tell them and it’s x percent that you have tested that that is actually what they’re getting.

Rob:                             09:55                It Is actually what they’re getting and I am one of the very few companies that do not approve full spectrum on my bottles unless it is 100 percent full spectrum, which means only one of my truly is and I’m happy to say that and what does that actually mean?

Kim:                             10:09                It sounds good, but I don’t know what that means.

Rob:                             10:12                Full spectrum. Well, if, if the standard definition is when you have your CBD oil that you’re taking from the store that has all of the cannabinoids, the 120 I mentioned including THC plus the Terpenes, the flavonoids, the chlorophyll, all of the plant material. Normally when you take a hemp plant, you have it in front of you with a big plant. The leaves, the stems, you put it into a machine using a CO2, hopefully a CO2 extraction method. You get an oil that oil is not CBD, oil is CBDA, she has acid in it. We need to burn that acid off through a process called decarboxylation. Once that is burned off, you have a true full spectrum soil in your hand and everyone’s selling a foot that has that exact same recipe also. However, from there, getting it to the store shelves is a little bit different because if you have to, you first have to winterize it, which means we’re taking the CBD, we’re freezing it, we’re adding alcohol to it, and we’re separating the cannabinoids.

Rob:                             11:13                Right? So as soon as you start doing that, that full spectrum piece starts to degrade a bit. Now, after distillation, we still have to further distill it and winterization we have to first still it and go through a distillation method further distilling from the winterization that is also gonna degrade some cannabinoids is also going to degrade some terpenes and everything else, and we’re taking out the chlorophyll and the lipids and waxes from the plant. Finally you have to go ahead and take out the THC because as you know in Florida, TC is only legal at point three percent, so we have to run that through a chromatography machine, so now when you have from the initial oil to what you have now, they’re not the same and that is one, but yet people are still putting on it is a full spectrum oil because technically it was taken from the full spectrum of the plants. I know a lot of information there.

Kim:                             12:01                That’s great information because I think a lot of us we just think of w we don’t realize how processed, how much processing has to go in between taking and getting it to us and what that actually means. Then and, and also interesting you mentioned this is the hemp plant. Not a marijuana plant.

Rob:                             12:18                I should’ve said that, correct. Industrial hemp.

Kim:                             12:20                And yet it still has THC. I think for a lot of us, we think hemp, the difference between hemp and marijuana is that hemp doesn’t have any of the THC.

Rob:                             12:28                It has just a very, very, very trace amount. Yes, and especially you have to understand too, Kim, with industrial hemp, a lot of that is bred intentionally, so we are breeding it for high CBD levels and so a lot of that is managed, manipulated, of course,

Kim:                             12:42                And you mentioned when you said people should start thinking if they have any of these chronic inflammation issues they might want to look at at CBD. Are contraindications? Are there some people who shouldn’t be on it? Are there drug interactions? Anything like that? We should know about.

Rob:                             12:59                I’m very, very good questions. Yes, there absolutely are some drug interactions, but I do want to make sure that we caveat this. I have. I have never read or seen anybody who has had a reaction mixing CBD with their medications where I believe the interaction comes into it may weaken the other medication that their doctor has prescribed to them or vice versa. Maybe it’s weakened the effects of the CBD, but I do have a list of those interactions. It is something that people need to definitely look at. SSRI is are one of them. I believe there was a cholesterol, a couple of cholesterol medications, so absolutely, and the second thing they need to be aware of, again, going to the big retailers, I’m not picking on them, but CBD, if you look at where CBD was two years ago to where it is now, there’s one huge change and that’s the percentage of CBD on the shelves. Now you’re seeing 1000, 2000, 500 milligrams of CBD in these little bottles. Most of that is not necessary. People are wasting their money. CPD is bi-phasic. Less is more, more is not better ever, ever, ever with CBD

Kim:                             14:04                And then how would you dose? So what I’m hearing here is first of all, if you’re interested in this, I would recommend coming in and talking to Rob or at least a practitioner that that can help you diagnose and find the solution as opposed to just walking into your local health food store and picking stuff up off of the shelf. So that I. I definitely am taking away from this. Along those lines, then when you say less is more, does that have to do with. Would you prescribe it based on body weight, lifestyle? A little bit of both. How does that work?

Rob:                             14:37                Can I ask a lot of questions? First of all, I do want to make sure your listeners know I am not a doctor. I’m somebody who has, um, I am paid to write on the subject of CBD from a couple of publications. I’ve done my research and I have a lot of people coming to see me and yes, everybody different. Even how they metabolize something is different. So when people come to see me, yes, weight and chronic pain issues, all of that is something I look for, but really almost everyone that comes to see me is going to be the same thing. We’re going to start out small we’re to start out with three, four milligrams of CBD and increase from there. How I do things, not saying my way is the right way or the preferred way. I usually start people off with two types of CBD products.

Rob:                             15:17                At the same time. I start them off with a true full spectrum oil that we use as our base. This is because it’s costly. We want to use the minimal amount as possible on daily basis. Then we supplement with a cheaper version of CBD isolate and isolate is just a pure concentrated CBD powder form. The reason that I do this is so people can get an understanding of what they truly need. We have a base dose and say, okay, now Kim, you’re going to take in your three or four day for the first week or two. Let’s see when you need more. We’re going to supplement with the isolate. Every time you supplement you write it down and you come and see me and we figured out how much dosage you really need per day, per week, whatever. And then we look at how to get your sustained for a period of time.

Kim:                             16:03                And there’s two things I’ve heard you mentioned that I’d not heard anyone else mentioned. So I want to make sure we cover those. The first is you don’t recommend vaping the CBD, is that correct?

Rob:                             16:13                I don’t. Um, I, I will tell you that if you look at absorption studies, they’ll tell you I’m crazy because you will get added. You absolutely get higher absorption. Vaping, I don’t like vaping because I don’t know what’s in this stuff. I don’t know. Um, I, I’m not saying anything is bad, but sometimes you can’t just, you can’t just vape CBD, you need to put a thinner eight offending agent in there and some people can use the turpines from the plant and terpenes are what give the plant and smell and some of his flavor they can cut it with that and make it thinner to vape, but not everybody does.

Rob:                             16:43                And I have heard some very bad companies putting formaldehyde and other chemicals to make it vapable. So that scares me a bit.

Kim:                             16:49                So the issue with vaping then isn’t truly that vaping means it doesn’t work. It means that you’re questioning what are they putting into that product? I don’t think any of us want it to be vaping – formaldehyde, for example.

Rob:                             17:03                Exactly. And again, this is just me personally, no studies showing this to me when people start incorporating a little physical behaviors like a pipe in their hand that they vape from, maybe possibly lead to something else in the future. Maybe they want, you know, just try other things and all of a sudden, you know, it’s just not in a good situation, I believe.

Kim:                             17:21                And that’s why we’re sharing information here. I also heard you talking about some topical possibilities.

Rob:                             17:28                Topicals work very, very well. However you need to be conscious because our skin, although we’ll absolutely take in the CBD and we do have CB CB one and CB two receptors on our skin just like in our body, um, for it to take in, you need to really slab on that CBD. It needs to be more than what you would put into, you know, into your, on topical, but absolutely works and it works very, very well.

Kim:                             17:53                What would you use that for?

Rob:                             17:54                Anything you use, any topical for if you have Bengay or any of those type of brands? Tiger Balm. Anytime you’d use topical, you go ahead and using CBD. My wife, we have on bath bombs with CBD and she puts them in the bath and she just sits there and lets it soak in and work its magic and she loves it. Just loves it and not saying anything is chronically wrong with her, but she just likes to feel that she gets from it and she doesn’t know.

Kim:                             18:14                Is there any time when someone is looking at something where maybe CBD would not be strong enough and you actually would think more of say the medical marijuana that we do actually now have in Florida?

Rob:                             18:28                Very, very good question. Um, I am. I am an absolute supporter and proponent of THC and I will tell you that THC, the cannabinoid itself is instrumental in CBD, working in some of the other cannabinoids working, and that’s why when I pick on the full spectrum as I did earlier, that’s the biggest reason why we need THC. It’s a very, very important cannabinoid to make the other ones, for example, depression and anxiety, THC, CBD, and another cannabinoid called CBG. They call that the Golden Trifecta for depression and anxiety because they work so well together. But to answer your question, absolutely THC should be and needs to be thought of and looked at as a possibility of CBD alone doesn’t work.

Rob:                             19:13                However, there needs to be the proper proportion. If you will, of THC to CBD, so number one, you don’t get the high effects as we mentioned earlier, it because you have to be able to function. And number two, the alone can cause paranoia and some people, meaning that if you’re taking a friend anxiety, it could work the opposite. In fact, I think for most people it will work the opposite alone, so it should be in combination with and can you for the anxiety.

Kim:                             19:37                This interests me because I think for many of us women as we get older, we experience more anxiety, which we didn’t in our youth. And I know that’s true for me and it at some of the friends that I share information with, you can actually get the anxiety or antianxiety effects that with the combination that is a low enough THC that you are not going to get that marijuana high.

Rob:                             20:00                Absolutely. I think that, um, minor to moderate anxiety is easy. That’s an easy one because really the CBD will work. However, again, go back to the diet. If you’re also taking CBD and throwing a bunch of donuts back and you’re and you’re, you’re spiking your blood sugar, it’s only going to do it, you know, garbage in, garbage out.

Kim:                             20:20                Yeah, absolutely. That makes so much sense. Is there anything I haven’t asked you yet about CBD specifically that we really need to cover for people?

Rob:                             20:29                Um, I don’t want to say I just want to make sure that people, if they’re getting into possibly incorporating CBD into their daily dose, daily regiment are looking to get off of other medications like opiates or some type of damage, damaging prescription. Couple of things that they really need to do. Number one, see their first. Um, it’s absolutely imperative.

Rob:                             20:49                I had somebody, a lady come to see me and I say why she did this, but she bought CBD. The Lady was on Pain Medication for 20 years. She went home and stopped her pain medications. I mean, you know, she told me she was in bed for the whole weekend. You can’t do those types of things. See your doctor, if he allows CBD or if he doesn’t have knowledge of the CBD, come talk to me. We’ll work together on it. Start incorporating CBD into your current regimen, on the current prescription drugs you’re taking and eventually wean off of those drugs. There are two important statistics I think people need to know of a net is, um, I believe it was Forbes magazine who said it and um, I don’t know. I don’t know if I remember exactly, but it was 80 percent of people on CBD for one year are off of all medications. Fifty percent of CBD users in six months are off of opiates. It works if you work it and you also incorporate diet and exercise changes in your life.

Kim:                             21:44                That is absolutely amazing. I had not heard that. I did not realize it was so helpful with getting people off of opiates, which is such a problem in our society right now.

Rob:                             21:56                It’s a huge epidemic.

Kim:                             21:58                That that just is exciting to me. I did not know it. Thank you for sharing that. Just to remind everybody, Rob is not a doctor and so he’s not diagnosing disease. He wants you to work with your doctor, but he is here to give you a fabulous information about CBD. If you opt to look into this as a solution for your possible solution, I really recommend you come to see him talk to him and learn more because I think we, I know for me this has been a really informative interview and it’s not something that you want to just walk into the health food store and pick up a bottle of. So I think we’ve, we’ve learned a lot. Rob, thank you so much for being on the show. Please tell people where they can come find you.

Rob:                             22:47                Well, you can come to visit us at 2903 West New Haven. That is in the Box and Send in the Home Depot shopping plaza. You can also shop online https://13pastures.com. I prefer um, you come see me before shopping online. Just so again, we can talk and make sure you’re on the right track, but I’m look forward to talking to all you guys. Thank you very much.

Kim:                             23:05                And that Box and Send is here in West Melbourne area and we will have links to all of that and information on the website https://spacecoaststories.com that come along with the transcripts of this. Thank you everybody for joining me. I will be back next time interviewing another interesting person on Florida’s Space Coast bye.

Kim:                             23:30                Join us next time for another episode of Space Coast Stories. You can find the show notes and other information at SpaceCoastStories.com. The views of the guests on this show are their own and don’t necessarily represent the views of the show owners, host or company. Thanks for listening to Space Coast Stories.

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